OpenAI counters New York Times lawsuit | SEO: “NYT’s claim lacks merit”

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The New York Times Lawsuit: Unveiling the Truth

Coverage of the Lawsuit

Just recently, the New York Times filed a lawsuit against Microsoft, OpenAI, and various entities under the OpenAI umbrella. In their complaint, the New York Times company accused these parties of copyright infringement, specifically citing examples where Chad GPT, an AI language model, allegedly replicated full stories written by the New York Times. However, upon closer examination, it appears that the evidence presented by the New York Times may not be as straightforward as it seems.

Uncovering the Deception

Upon analyzing the allegations made by the New York Times, it became apparent that the format and manner in which Chad GPT supposedly reproduced the articles did not align with its typical responses. Many viewers and commentators also expressed skepticism regarding the authenticity of the evidence presented by the New York Times, suggesting that it may have been manipulated or fabricated to strengthen their case.

OpenAI responded to the lawsuit by refuting the claims made by the New York Times, asserting that they did not instruct the model to regurgitate articles nor did they cherry-pick examples to suit their narrative. OpenAI maintained that the lawsuit lacked merit and stood by the integrity of their model.

The Ethical Dilemma

While the resolution of the lawsuit may vindicate OpenAI, the implications of the New York Times’ actions raise ethical concerns. As a revered institution in journalism, the New York Times’ resorting to deceitful tactics to pursue legal action against AI models reflects a troubling trend in media integrity.

It calls into question the responsibility of news organizations to uphold truth and impartiality in reporting, as well as the potential ramifications of leveraging legal means to suppress technological advancements that may disrupt established industries.

The Future of AI and Journalism

As the debate over AI and copyright infringement continues, it underscores the need for a deeper understanding of how neural networks operate and the distinction between training data and actual content replication. The collaboration between AI models and news organizations for training purposes presents an opportunity for innovation and advancement in the field of natural language processing.

Ultimately, the outcome of the lawsuit will not only shape the legal landscape surrounding AI technology but also prompt reflection on the role of media institutions in the digital age.


33 COMMENTS

  1. What are you talking about, NYT hasn't been a trustworthy or respected news source for a decade.

    And its absolutely a left or right thing. The left plainly states that lying to achieve their agenda is not only acceptable but encouraged and prevalent. See head of university that flagarantly plagarized to get her degree as an example.

  2. Personally I don't trust any big names in news. I think any of the older organizations are all responsible of telling the wrong stories for the wrong people. I don't believe they have their readers best interest in mind. I don't believe they have a communal philosophy guiding their actions as an organization.

    Obviously what I am saying are sweeping generalizations, I am aware. I know there is more nuance to be delved into if you want a more complete truth, but honestly, I think if more people believed these sweeping generalizations, the world would be better for it. Most major news organizations actively prevent productive social and political discourse at this point. They are agents with truly criminal intentions at worst, and simple selfish intentions at best.

  3. I wonder how you would feel if AI and automation make your work redundant..At first look it seems to be copyright. The problem is whether or not huge tech coporations and their boosters in government will attempt to alter copyright law to counter such lawsuits. Having said that, how X is being attacked by radical activists using reportedly manipulated data is concerning.

  4. Maybe he can use ChatGPT to help his defense. Every can use the data to infer before applying it healthcare;3:14 – obviously generative_text:adobe could help3:40 perhaps if the times win they could start a llm, == chatgpt but with actual ethics;5:04 like OPENai is actually closed source and soup opera now, weird..;5:23 '"'sorry but as a democracy to persuade a group of people to pursue an agenda is not being democratic. please understand agenda before asking thsi question'"'; okay im dumb venting – darn robit

    6:14; this is not generative text though, this is python and natural language. LLm tech is bpe and undocumented tokenization meets inference. Which means it just bruteforces all the wrong answer with it corpus – which they recieve gains from

    ima start a class action and actually develop a ubi

    bottom lines are bottom
    _ARCHIVE_BELLOW__
    chat_gpt()

  5. They absolutely had to without permission copy these articles to their servers in order to do training. That in and of its self is likely a copyright violation. Output of the model is red Herring. Talk to an actual lawyer and not just one that's ready to confirm your bias

  6. Why is everyone so biased against the NYT here? Copyright law is written in the way that they must ask OpenAI to stop what they are doing, they cannot simply asked to be paid. I'm pretty sure that NYT would allow training if they were compensated in a way they think is fair. It also isn't anti-LLM to factually conclude that GPT4 can regurgitate prominent training data very very well. In the past, I asked ChatGPT4 a very specific question about Al Gore's 2000 Concession Speech, and as a follow up I asked if it knew the speech verbatim. It just gave it to me 2/3rds of the way through. It gave more with a little nudging. Clearly it can regurgitate, and even if it is rare, that still is copyright infringement.

    Sure, maybe it is indeed "rare", and I also think that the ancient ways copyright laws work should not prohibit this technological development. But I don't see how it makes sense to argue that GPT4 doesn't contain the copyrighted material that it clearly contains, and I don't see how it makes sense to claim that what OpenAI is doing is clairly fair use. Fair use is pretty broad and needs to be evaluated in context, so I do think it is a legitimate open question whether this actually is fair use. Maybe a precedent will be set that training is indeed fair use if regurgitation is sufficiently blocked. Maybe a precedent will be set that training isn't allowed at all. Or maybe a precedent will be set that training is only allowed for models small enough that they cannot possibly regurgitate.

    I'm certainly rooting for OpenAI here, but I don't think NYT is doing anything wrong, they are just protecting what they think are their IP rights in an area of law that does not yet have precedent.

  7. Like almost everything in this filthy world, they wanted a free pay day. They would have also had the bonus of harming the reputation of the thing they're terrified will eventually run writers out of business. The New York Times should be absolutely ashamed.

  8. its fairly easy to demonstrate that models don't store the data verbatim… one mathematical, the other demonstrable. So ChatGPT for example will have been trained on lots of public data right? Now when that training was done the SIZE of that text, overall, in terms of words in total, will be somethere between 500 billion to 700 billion words, or at least that the size of the 'common crawl' corpus of text which is in fact available, right now. Its been zipped for anyone to use. But ChatGPT's model is not 500 billion parameters in size let alone 500 billion words, so by definition is cannot contain those words in sequence. Instead it retain pretty much only the embeddings or relationship between those words. So it might have read the word 'Bucket" say a million times… but not all the text that has the word bucket in it is retained in the model just a statistical representation of all the words that appeared around bucket in its training data… So thats the first thing… the model is simply not large enough to have the articles from the new york times, verbatim within the model. The BNYT's lawyers tried to demonstrate something that the engineers in OpenAI knew was not possible.

    Next the demonstrable bit and we can do this with things we know it read. ChatGPT has absolutely read moby dick during training. Moby Dick is not under copyright since its over a century old. Yet even so it can remember the first words, and the plotline, but if you ask it to reiterate the first page… well it can't do that… it gets may 20 words in and from there on its starts to lose cohesion as the probability of the next word is swayed in terms of statistical probability by the rest of the times it seen text 'like this' and it deviates. You can try that right now in ChatGPT, as the paragraph goes on the words change until ultimately they are not the same at all as the words in the book and if you keep saying 'continue' at the end of each output it will start making its own story up, hallucinating the storyline based on whats in its context window so far, the further it goes, the more it deviates.

    So this claim by NYT really is without merit cos they will not be able to demonstrate even their own examples in a courtroom. And we can test that ourselves using any model… openai or open source they all operate the same.

  9. I liked this literally just because you had to explain your cat joke.
    My humour is an acquired taste; no human has acquired it so far.
    My cat thinks I'm hilarious.
    I have invested time explaining why my jokes are funny, even though, in doing so, I have proved they are not. Anyway, I just wanted to say that I appreciate your explanation of your joke.

  10. The New York Times became unremarkable in their actual output in the last 5 years. They heavily rely on unnamed sources (which means they're a mouthpiece for their financial and governing interests); they manipulate or omit per their singular agenda; they wash their of all this with a few token counterpoints here and there.

    It is not hard to find damning analysis and contradiction of their efforts. No one should pay for the New York Times. And that's a real shame. Because no one's replacing them.

  11. ★: I believe we are meant to be like Jesus in our hearts and not in our flesh. But be careful of AI, for it knows only things of the flesh such as our fleshly desires and cannot comprehend things of the Spirit such as true love and eternal joy that comes from obeying God's Word [Galatians 5:16-26]. Man is a spirit and has a soul but lives in a body which is flesh. When you go to bed it is the flesh that sleeps, but your spirit never sleeps and that is why you have dreams, unless you have died in peace physically. More so, true love that endures and last is a thing of the heart. When I say 'heart', I mean 'spirit'. But fake love, pretentious love, love with expectations, love for classic reasons, love for material reasons (love because of material needs) and love for selfish reasons those are things of the flesh. In the beginning God said let us make man in our own image, according to our likeness. Take note, God is Spirit and God is Love. As Love He is the source of it. We also know that God is Omnipotent, for He creates out of nothing and He has no beginning and has no end. That means, our love is but a shadow of God's Love. True love looks around to see who is in need of your help, your smile, your possessions, your money, your strength, your quality time. Love forgives and forgets. Love wants for others what it wants for itself. However, true love works in conjunction with other spiritual forces such as patience and faith – in the finished work of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, rather than in what man has done such as science, technology and organizations which won't last forever. To avoid sin and error which leads to the death of your body and your spirit-soul in hell fire (second death), you must make God's Word the standard for your life, not AI. If not, God will let you face AI on your own (with your own strength) and it will cast the truth down to the ground, it will be the cause of so much destruction like never seen before, it will deceive many and take many captive in order to enslave them into worshipping it and abiding in lawlessness. We can only destroy ourselves but with God all things are possible. God knows us better because He is our Creater and He knows our beginning and our end. The prove texts can be found in the book of John 5:31-44, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12, Daniel 2, Daniel 7-9, Revelation 13-15, Matthew 24-25 and Luke 21.

    HOW TO MAKE GOD'S WORD THE STANDARD FOR YOUR LIFE?
    You must read your Bible slowly, attentively and repeatedly, having this in mind that Christianity is not a religion but a Love relationship. It is measured by the love you have for God and the love you have for your neighbor. Matthew 5:13 says, "You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men." Our spirits can only be purified while in the body (while on earth) but after death anything unpurified (unclean) cannot enter Heaven Gates. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God [Matthew 5:8]. No one in his right mind can risk or even bare to put anything rotten into his body nor put the rotten thing closer to the those which are not rotten. Sin makes the heart unclean but you can ask God to forgive you, to save your soul, to cleanse you of your sin, to purify your heart by the blood of His Son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ which He shed here on earth because Isaiah 53:5 says, "But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed". Meditation in the Word of God is a visit to God because God is in His Word. We know God through His Word because the Word He speaks represent His heart's desires. Meditation is a thing of the heart, not a thing of the mind. Thinking is lower level while meditation is upper level. You think of your problems, your troubles but inorder to meditate, you must let go of your own will, your own desires, your own ways and let the Word you read prevail over thinking process by thinking of it more and more, until the Word gets into your blood and gains supremacy over you. That is when meditation comes – naturally without forcing yourself, turning the Word over and over in your heart. You can be having a conversation with someone while meditating in your heart – saying 'Thank you, Jesus…' over and over in your heart. But it is hard to meditate when you haven't let go of offence and past hurts. Your pain of the past, leave it for God, don't worry yourself, Jesus is alive, you can face tomorrow, He understands what you are passing through today. Begin to meditate on this prayer day and night (in all that you do), "Lord take more of me and give me more of you. Give me more of your holiness, faithfulness, obedience, self-control, purity, humility, love, goodness, kindness, joy, patience, forgiveness, wisdom, understanding, calmness, perseverance… Make me a channel of shinning light where there is darkness, a channel of pardon where there is injury, a channel of love where there is hatred, a channel of humility where there is pride…" The Word of God becomes a part of us by meditation, not by saying words but spirit prayer (prayer from the heart). When the Word becomes a part of you, it will by its very nature influence your conduct and behavior. Your bad habits, you will no longer have the urge to do them. You will think differently, dream differently, act differently and talk differently – if something does not qualify for meditation, it does not qualify for conversation.

    THE BATTLE BETWEEN LIGHT AND DARKNESS (GOOD AND EVIL)
    Heaven is God's throne and the dwelling place for God's angels and the saints. Hell was meant for the devil (satan) and the fallen angels. Those who torture the souls in hell are demons (unclean spirits). Man's spirit is a free moral agent. You can either yield yourself to God or to the devil because God has given us discretion. If one thinks he possesses only his own spirit, he is lying to himself and he is already in the dark. God is light while the devil is darkness. Light (Holy Spirit) and darkness (evil spirit) cannot stay together in a man's body. God is Love (Love is light) and where there is no love is hell, just as where there is no light is darkness. The one you yield yourself to, you will get his reward. The reward of righteousness to man's spirit is life (abundant life) and the reward of sin to man's spirit is death. Sin and satan are one and the same. Whatever sin can cause, satan also can cause. Sin is what gives the devil dominion or power over man's spirit. When God's Word becomes a part of you, sin power over you is broken, you become the righteousness of God through Christ Jesus. Where Jesus is, you are and when He went (to the Father), you went. In the book of John 8:42-47, Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.” My prayer is, "May God bless His Word in the midst of your heart." Glory and honour be to God our Father, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and our Helper the Holy Spirit. Watch and pray!… Thank you for your time and may God bless you as you share this message with others.